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j       ‘‘  ’’ When Ted and I met in that hospital room in Sells in , I knew more about his life from the interviews he had done with anthropologist Timothy Dunnigan than I would learn directly from him in our interviews. The transcripts of the Rios-Dunnigan tapes () contain narration of many facts, events, and experiences in his life that Ted did not tell me, or at least would not talk about when the tape recorder was running. Part of the difference in the narrations is clearly due to different interview techniques. Dunnigan was more skilled at eliciting narration than I was and more insistent and precise in verifying information. I also think that Ted’s memory may have been clearer during his work with Dunnigan than when we worked together; the earlier interviews give more evidence of dates and more complete and specific data. I am also convinced that the difference in gender in the interviewers produced differences in how our taping sessions worked and in the narration they produced.Ted had a strong sense of proprietyand a differential attitude toward ‘‘ladies,’’ the term he always used for women. I think that attitude affected what he thought was appropriate behavior and what he thought was appropriate to discuss with a woman, especiallya whitewoman twenty-fiveyears younger than he.The informality and male camaraderie established between Dunnigan and Ted is quite different from the almost genteel relationshipTed and I shared. Even the taping circumstances were different. While Ted and I met at the Sells hospital and later sat outside—never inside—his home about a hundred yards southwest of the San Xavier Mission, Dunnigan and  More Than One Way to Tell ‘‘A Good One’’ Ted taped both outside Ted’s residence and inside Ted’s room and discussed topics he never acknowledged or treated much more circumspectly with me.1 About two-thirds of the way through their taping, when Ted obviously felt at ease with Dunnigan, he freely began to discuss his drinking.2 He relates one incident that reveals the seriousness of his alcohol problem, saying, I was drunk then, when I got off at the bus stop, I had a bottle. . . . I thought, ‘‘I’m on the wrong path, I better go back.’’ So I sit for awhile, sat there with them rocks and pretty soon when I sit for awhile, I heard something coming, some clicking on the rocks, hitting something. . . . Something was shining ahead. That’s the devil! So, right then I realized, ‘‘I’m in trouble. I better get out of here!’’ So I scrambled up. . . . I took the trail out and I got here. See, what happens when you get so nasty about this . . . ‘‘D.T.s.’’ (: –) He never related that story to me, and he never drank in front of me, though a couple of times during the sessions at his home his buddies came by and offered him a beer.3 Nor did he ever admit to me any promiscuity or harsh treatment of women. But he tells Dunnigan about women he meets at the fiesta in Magdalena, Mexico (: –), and he also tells him an involved and long story about a spur-of-the-moment trip to Nogales to visit a whorehouse where he is recognized by the woman he engages and admits, ‘‘I didn’t know what to say, just stunned, you know’’ (: –). He wasn’t about to tell that incident directly to me even off the tape, and I never dared try to get him to relate it—my sense of propriety enters in here too, I guess. Even if I had led him toward it, I’m certain he would have avoided telling me, despite the fact that he knew I had read the transcripts of the interviews with Dunnigan. Even in the description to me of his trip to Magdalena for the feast of St. Francis, a narration very similar in content to his narration of the event  More Than One Way to Tell ‘‘A Good One’’ to Dunnigan, he mentions women only obliquely, saying simply that he danced. Drinking was also a topic he rarely broached with me. The few times I tried to get him to talk about his drinking, he usually deflected the questions. The only times he discussed alcohol on tape were incidental and in the context of broader topics.Throughout the interviews there are several brief references to alcohol in relation to ceremonial wine...


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